From Planning to Profit: Harnessing AI & Strategy to Elevate Your Business - PART ONE

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I am Deborah Hartnett, your host.

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And I'm thrilled to have you tune in today to our episode from planning to profit

strategic moves for the modern thought leader.

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We're excited to welcome today's guest, Mr.

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Wren Ingram, a powerhouse strategist, executive coach known for helping businesses and

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how you can enhance your speaking business, leadership, and long-term vision.

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Out of all the most incredible accolades I can say about Shireen, I am most grateful that

I can call her my friend.

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So don't let me delay her from you any longer.

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Welcome, Shireen, to Wealthy Sisters Radio.

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Welcome back.

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So happy to have you here today.

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How are you?

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I'm doing fantastic, Deborah, how about you?

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amazing, amazing.

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It's always a joy to have beautiful people like yourself.

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Like I said, just to be able to call you a friend, I am truly blessed to have individuals

like you in my circle.

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And that's one of the things that I talk about often, especially younger people, as we

continue to help them build and prepare as my daughter is graduating.

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from college next month, you know, that's a blessing as well.

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But just to make sure that you understand how important building relationships are.

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And what can I say?

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To have someone like you is incredible.

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So why don't you share a little bit about your background?

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And like I'll always like to say, what went into that recipe of the beautiful ingredients

that we see today?

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don't know if it's been true for many of the others in your circle, but at least for me,

if I had to say 20, 30 years ago, was I building a recipe for what I'm doing today?

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If I'm honest about it, the answer is absolutely no.

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I was not.

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I'm not doing what I thought I set out to do.

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And gratefully so because what I get to do today is so much better than anything I could

have asked for or imagined.

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I love what you talked about when you're in the intro there about relationships.

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I think one of the things that a lot of people tend to ignore early in their career is the

development of relationships.

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And more than just develop, but to maintain, nurture and grow.

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And then when you have a need, that's when you think about all the people you know, but

now it feels icky to call them because now you're only calling for something you want.

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You know, that is definitely one of those areas where you want to double down and we can

probably spend a whole episode really just talking about the need for that.

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I mean, when you're young in your career, you're so busy establishing your expertise and

proving to others, but you just really many don't.

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I won't say not everybody, because there were those who had been trained or mentored or

coached by from parents or others to make sure that they built those networks.

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keep them strong, but many of us were not.

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Right, right.

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And you know, it's that old saying that we used to hear all the time, be careful, you

don't want to burn bridges, right?

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I think when we are younger, I know it's hard to really see what that really means.

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because you don't know how something life is full circle.

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We don't know how something is going to make a circle.

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That person that you thought that you would never see again, don't need anymore.

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Whatever, you might've made a move that destroyed the relationship.

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might've, you made some decisions or didn't do what you said.

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would go, whatever it would happen.

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And here you wind up, here's a deal.

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and who's sitting at the table to close that deal.

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You've got everything in place.

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You are qualified.

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You are the best.

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Your company is the best.

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You are the one.

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This is your moment.

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But because, another old saying, people don't, what is it?

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They don't remember what you do.

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They remember how you make them feel.

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Yes.

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And there's another saying that you probably hear a lot is that your network is your net

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And definitely when you're young, that concept of net worth probably doesn't even, I mean,

it just doesn't even register.

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Now that the kids are in college and

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I'm thinking about that next location because I'd like to not live in Chicago area

anymore.

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And, you know, it was really funny.

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People were asking me, well, well, what are you looking for?

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And I got my top three things.

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And number one on the list is tax, tax structure.

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I mean, it is network tax.

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I mean, just things you don't think about.

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I mean, when I was looking for a place to live taxes, you know, as as a, as a young person

just doesn't even compute.

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Okay.

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So there's just so many things that you just don't understand the value of, you don't put

time into, and then until you need it.

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And I won't say it's too late then, but it definitely puts you behind the eight ball and

you don't get to reap as many opportunities as you could have had you thought that way.

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or had someone around you that perhaps might've told you.

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someone telling you hey and sometimes I even wonder you know There's a lot of youth who

probably did have someone tell them that they didn't take it serious Like it's not

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important.

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You know like when you're young you think you'll live forever and you know health who

needs assurance I mean, you know, it's just things you just don't think about and so

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networking net your network all of that is key and critical for anybody who wants to have

a sustainably growing

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and prosperous business.

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Wow, while we're on this topic, I just got to ask you then, you know, because of course

another saying hindsight is: 2020

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Sheren 1987, 1988.

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What would you tell that Sheren?

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Sheren of 2025, what would you tell Sheren of 1987, 1988, around it?

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my gosh.

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I have a whole speech for her, by the way.

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I have a whole speech.

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to make this a part four episode.

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yeah, I have a whole speech.

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I had the privilege last year or the year before, I did the keynote address for the black

graduation of my undergrad.

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So that was an awesome thing to be able to go back and do.

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And one of the things I framed it in was, if I were sitting in your spot, the Sheren of

the mid-80s, what would I tell her?

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So that's exactly what I.

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So the number one thing I would have told her was to think about her network and really be

intentional about nurturing it and just maintaining those connections and don't let things

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go stale.

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And that alone can catapult businesses or you know, or a career, whatever you have.

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So that was my number one thing was to maintain

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and constantly grow and nurture and keep it fresh your network.

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And I mean, don't just look on one type of person or one type of role because you just

don't know where things take you.

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So my number one tip for Sharon of the mid eighties was network, network, network,

network.

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The second tip that I have for Sharon surprised a lot of people and probably maybe

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angered a few at the same time.

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But the biggest thing I would have told Sharan is really understand who the real enemy of

your career is and that it is not a color, it's not a gender, it's really at the end of

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the day your own mindset.

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know, people can say what they want to say, they can really plot.

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however they want, until you buy into their lies, until you let them define who you are,

until you allow them to put the cap on your ceiling, I spent a lot of time fighting a

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perceived enemy when I should have been working on myself and working towards that.

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so, you know, for some that went over well.

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Mm-hmm.

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for some it did not.

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But it was true.

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Hands down true because I was really sad to see, know, it had been over 30 years, 30 plus

years, maybe even longer since I had been there.

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And we were still talking about some of the same issues.

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We were so busy fighting a perceived enemy that we weren't understanding the difference

between power and status and going after both.

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very strategically.

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And so we were still talking about some of the same issues.

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And so that saddened me.

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So that would have been my second lesson to Sharon is understand the real enemy.

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don't buy into the lie.

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Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Man, that's powerful.

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And when you talk about the, I mean, a couple of things you said, personal development is

it.

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It is it.

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And they did not, if we get into that mindset, you know, that's why we're friends.

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That's why we fight, right?

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Because we on this.

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Right, it has.

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Exactly, exactly.

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And so,

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And so what we talk about with the personal development, what I was going to say, how we

talk about the word, the system, which is true, it is a systemic issue.

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Okay, that's true.

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We're not saying it's not true, but the mindset, you know, we have to remove ourselves

from the thought process, which the way they designed it, it was intentional.

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was all...

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on purpose to have us where we are right now, talking about things that cannot benefit us,

that can't help us.

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And the number one enemy is ourself.

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It's right here between the ears.

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We could take it from the spiritual aspect.

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It's that Satan is always whispering and telling you self doubt, all types of things that

can't use us.

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I mean, we're gonna battle that.

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I mean, I deal with it.

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Right now today, okay, as fresh as a few moments ago, it's always something there.

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But their personal development, beginning to listen to CDs and, now I'm dating myself

talking about CDs, but, know, listening to audios, videos that talk about mindset.

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Napoleon Hill, you know, one of my favorite books is As a Man Thinketh.

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Yeah.

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James Allen.

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When I was introduced to that book, it changed my life.

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You know, it just brought things into perspective for me as far as what you're talking

about.

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It's, it's, I said it's everything.

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Yes.

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I wasn't.

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mean, it was something that, that's nice to hear, but I mean, to become a student of it

changes the game because now you're not distracted by what the system wants you to think

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about.

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And so instead of letting the distraction happen and fall and pray to the agenda that

they've established, you're independent of that now.

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And now you can think about how to put that under your feet, so to speak.

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You're not worried.

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I don't worry about all that anymore.

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I'm going to get mine in.

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And it's funny you mentioned personal development that way because I remember, I could

remember the first quote self-development thing I ever listened to was Earl Nightingale's,

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acres of diamonds.

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And I remember, and I remember listening to that.

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And I remember like, I have never, I mean,

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heard anything like this before.

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And I was hooked from that moment on.

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But when that happened, I was already, I was already out of law school.

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I mean, this was like, I mean, I was still a young person, I was still in my twenties, but

I mean, what if I had been exposed to that as a 10 year old?

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know, as a, it would have been a different game.

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So that was why my advice to, you know, mid 80s Sharon was don't.

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Know the enemy, know who the real enemy is and ultimately don't be distracted by the

agenda of others who's trying to set your agenda for you.

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No, you determine that by your mindset.

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So that's huge.

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Actually, those two things we just talked about.

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Your network and making sure you understand that your way of thinking is ultimately the

enemy you have to battle and win.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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This is life-changing information.

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know, when you think about the journey that you're on today, what was it that led you to

it?

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What inspired you to become focused in the area of strategy?

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know, or I guess going to law school, did that have something to do with it?

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You had to have some type of inspiration to go there, but talk to us about that for a

second.

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You know, it's a very interesting question and I find myself, because you know, I'm very

fortunate to coach lots of CEOs, very successful people.

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And I asked them that same question too, and many of them have my similar answer is that

there was always something in them that just believed that there was more.

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But there was, and more, and that,

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there was a pause.

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was possible for them to know and get there too.

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I mean, I've always, always, and my mother is, you know, interested in which I always

listen when she talks about the story about watching me grow up in the sense that there

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was just things I wasn't interested in the typical kids were.

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And there were just things that I was always trying.

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And I mean, you know,

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very mature and I mean, you know, I mean, my mother used to just give me her car.

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I was like in a 10th grade, you know, and just let me go.

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No driver's license.

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mean, who does that, right?

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And she was like, you just had the, you had my confidence.

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I knew you knew what you needed to do and I wasn't gonna be the one to stand in your way.

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So I mean, I was just blessed with a mother who just trusted, trusted what she sensed

about me.

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Um, but there was always something in me that wanted more and I didn't know how to, I

didn't know what that was leading me because I didn't come from parents who had ever done

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it.

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I just had a mother who at least recognized there was something there and she at least got

out of the way and just let me, she didn't know how to lead me.

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So she just didn't try.

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And she just trusted that the Lord would direct my steps in that way.

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But I always was trying to figure out how.

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So that's, and that's where strategy comes in, by the way, you know, if I can have it in

this most simplest definition, because there's lots of definitions of strategy, but think

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of the object of us or the goal is what you want to accomplish.

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And a strategy is how you're going to get it done.

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And I always was trying to uncover the how I S I believed it was possible.

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I didn't see things on TV as just entertainment.

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And I just didn't, I didn't see things like.

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That's real for somebody.

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Why can't it be real for me?

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So I've always been in pursuit.

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And this is why I knew, you know, people always say, well, Shireen, you should be a

lawyer.

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I was told about the law thing by others.

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You like to argue.

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You like to figure out how to win.

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I didn't think I liked to argue, but people always said that.

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And at least it directed me in a path to law school.

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And all of that has served me.

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But I never saw myself as a practicing lawyer.

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but it did put me on a path to of understanding the principles and the critical thinking

and how to dissect arguments and how to take it systematically to win each level of the

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point to bring my conclusion that I wanted.

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So it was all on the path to me, but it wasn't until I discovered this body of thinking,

i.e.

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the motivational that I was able to, wow, people have been talking about this.

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And the more my faith became real for me, I realized that all of that stuff was biblically

based anyway.

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They took the God out of it.

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It just became the perfect storm for me.

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And I've been a student ever since.

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So while a lot of people spend their free time entertaining themselves, I don't do those

sorts of things.

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I'm always in study mode.

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And for me, that is entertainment, and I enjoy it.

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in this year.

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yeah, that is beautiful.

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Many of us that are out here can relate to that.

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And one of my favorite topics is etymology.

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When we look at the word amusement.

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yes, isn't that one of my wonderful, I love girl, go there right now because some people

need to understand what amusement means, okay?

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What I mean, A, without, right?

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Muse, thinking, okay?

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know, amusement is designed, entertainment is designed to numb our thinking and to keep us

from the exploration of truth.

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Yes!

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and who we are and so many of our people are mesmerized by it.

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But you continue on because you brought that up because that's one of my favorite words

too.

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I'm like, you're just amusing yourself, i.e.

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thought.

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Without thought, shutting down, and as we see, you know, what we have today, with the lack

of critical thinking, again, going back to the systemic situation, we are not taught the

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school system, period, whether we're Black or white.

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And then if we look at the bigger picture,

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It's not, there are powers that we know that put everybody, you gotta have people

fighting.

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You gotta have that in order to distract them.

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So they can continue to do what they're doing.

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Exactly.

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So just looking at that alone is really important to start removing yourself from.

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If this, and I'm speaking to the person is like, you can kind of vibe on what Sharen and I

are talking about today.

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If you are wanting to become, get more, gain more clarity, know, matter of fact, that's my

next question for you, Sharen.

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But I'm gonna say, if you're wanting to gain more clarity, start looking at how you're

spending your time.

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Yes.

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What are you putting in?

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it's like, you can even see the levels from, had, we started out with the fireside chats,

because y'all, used to be no TV, right?

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There was no TV.

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I love it when I talk to my bonus daughters and my daughter about that.

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No TV.

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You know, they used to sit around and listen to the radio then, and you have the

television and that had, and I remember, like you, your mom, my mother, she used to say,

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go to bed.

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Cut that TV off, they already got theirs.

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Now you got to go and get yours.

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But now the social media, everybody, the phones, it is just so much there, so much

information to keep us distracted.

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with all...

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those distractions, think about it.

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What I'm always telling my children and God is it's a, it's a fight in that sense for them

to, extract themselves because they know again, they're young and they don't get it just

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yet, but I'm hoping that because I'm their mother that they have a leg up at the end of

the day.

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If, if what you're listening to, what you're allowing in isn't

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expanding your perspective of the world, helping you see things differently, but see

things from a higher level, a point of view, because sometimes we're so mired in a

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situation that we just can't see the overarching strategy of what's happening.

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And when people end up in these unfulfilled, dissatisfied,

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don't get their purpose, know, questioning everything.

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That's intentional.

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That's intentional.

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And so unfortunately you've bought into all of that.

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But the fact now is that if you can just recognize that it has been intentional and begin

to extract yourself and it begins with changing what's going in your ears, what's going in

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your eyes.

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what's coming out of your mouth.

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You have got to make an intentional stop, but none of that's going to change.

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If you continue to amuse yourself, if you spend more time amusing yourself, then you spend

enlightening yourself.

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And some people really feel like that amusement is enlightenment, but it's not, it's not

designed to do that.

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It's not, it's not, it's really not.

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And you know, when you talk about that, it made me think about, just going back to the

network, you know, networking, because I was going to ask you and forgot to ask you, how

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can someone build their network?

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Like, what are some of the things they can do?

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And one of the things I thought about from what you were saying was how we look at, we

talked about who's in our circle, you know, what we're listening to and all of that.

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And with that, we can say, it's either if it's adding to you or multiplying you, the math,

I call it the math, or does it subtract or divide you?

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If it's subtracting and dividing, that's not what you want, right?

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You know?

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Yeah.

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doing.

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And the cool, the thing that I had to really come to grips with is that nothing is

neutral.

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There is nothing that's neutral.

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Okay.

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It is, it is either adding and expanding or it is subtracting.

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And part of the deception is for people to think there's something neutral.

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Cause it's not.

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on that, expand on that for me.

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what do you mean it's okay?

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I heard what you said, but just nothing neutral because are you saying by design, you

know, they want us to think that it's always okay.

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know, yes, yes, you had a long stressful day.

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Grab that cocktail, get that weed.

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do this, do that, all those things that have us dependent, codependent on other things

instead of using what God has given us.

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Yes.

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done is that it has made you choose these external things as your refuge.

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You had a bad day, your brain is on overload, and you don't need to unwind.

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It is making you think that it's doing those things.

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But the fact is, after doing those things, an hour later, you need to do it again.

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my gosh.

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The next day you're right back needing it.

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It is not teaching you, and I love the word you used, expanding.

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It is not expanding how you see yourself and your capabilities that you don't need the

external refuge.

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You need to know your God and truth of who you are and that obviates once you really get

that.

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I don't need to turn to those things and so I don't waste

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because people are like, sure, and how do you get so much done?

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How do you get these things?

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When did you have time to think about that?

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Well, I'm not occupied with these things that are making me, or at least telling me that

I'm unwinding and all that stuff.

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No, the things that I unwind with are things that elevate my thinking, that expand me,

help me see why it is I perceive what I'm perceiving in the way that I do, because at the

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end of the day, it's all how you choose to see it.

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Mm-hmm.

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thing that's overwhelming you might, I mean, it most likely energizes me and I don't need

to be distracted.

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But again, the whole nothing neutral, it is such a deception for you to think, that

doesn't hurt anything.

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it's just this little bit.

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It's just this one.

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And what a lie of the enemy that has trapped so many people into the whole is just

neutral.

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Again, nothing neutral.

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Mm-mm-mm, that is power.

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no lukewarmness out there.

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Okay.

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It is either adding to or expanding, making you more dependent or less dependent.

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and so many of my people, again, they've made such external things, their refuge and is,

is, is keeping them prisoners of their own making.

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And you know, I know this is not popular right now to the 10 people that's by.

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To the 10 people.

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And I don't say that in an arrogant way.

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It's just 56 years of living, you know, at this stage now I see when you have people tell

you, that you might be this, you might be to this, you might be to.

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Like, Sharon, we are friends and the friends that we know we can call each other, but we

don't talk frequently.

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So this is like therapeutic for me to hear you say that because you feel like you're on an

island by yourself sometimes.

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is easy to feel that way.

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again, but that's also part of the journey is the more, depending on what you're listening

to and feeding yourself, if it's the right stuff, it's going to remind you you're not on

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an island.

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This is the enemy whispering in your ear, trying to change your perspective of your

situation to immobilize you, to stop you in the progress you're making.

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And it's so bad today that you see it playing out in the children, you know, just making

them do things to harm themselves, do all types of things, because people are now feeling

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so overwhelmed.

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And I don't understand how a child without responsibilities, I know there are certain

different, we know there are different situations.

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where children are going through horrendous situations, abuse, neglect, living on the

street.

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I'm not talking about those situations.

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I'm talking about children who are in a home, safe, loving family, safe, fed, transported,

clothed, all of that, and how all of this external stuff has them so overwhelmed now.

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they need counseling.

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that they, and because they're doing horrible things to themselves.

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In an effort to cope, in an effort to deal with.

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that's again, part of the deception of the system.

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The enemy is to change the way you to, to alter the meaning you give to any situation to

again, to make you think you need something outside of yourself to be able to deal with

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the world.

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And.

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Again, we know anytime you rely on anything external of you, you are putting yourself in a

position of servitude.

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And there's slavery of all kinds still going on today, economic slavery, social, I mean,

but it's all stemming from the fact that you're relying on a system outside of you.

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You have not recognized the God in you.

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You have not recognized the things that

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our Creator has endowed us with so that we don't have to rely on the systems of the world.

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anybody who would, anyone who sees the system as their source, whether it's source for

money, source for validate, whatever it is, anytime you see this, you rely on the system

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as a source of your wellbeing, you're in trouble.

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You may not even see it just yet, but you are.

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And you know, learning for me, you know, learning that we are only slave to God and that

he is, know, it's the natural tendency for us to try to put those human traits to God,

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because that's how another way we've been mis-taught as well, you know, but we can't even

describe him.

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But what you're talking about, that power, you know, that he's given us or the...

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the abilities that he's given us, like you said, to see things, to figure things, to

critically think, to reason, all of those things, we've been distracted and we've been

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numb and dumbed down, just to put it plain and simple.

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Wow.

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This, I mean, this is an awesome conversation that's flowing.

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And we're gonna have to wrap it up here shortly.

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And we're gonna have to...

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it?

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We're gonna have to have you come back and talk more because I do want to ask you just for

those leaders, how do you help leaders gain that clarity and confidence when facing major

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decisions?

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Because this is a great segue into that because we're still talking about the foundation.

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And even though we were talking about just a moment ago about the children being affected,

it's all of us.

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It's all of us because we did, we established that fact, right?

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Yes, very much so.

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stadiums are filled with adults.

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Right?

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I mean, I was talking to my husband, I was like, didn't this season, didn't March Madness

used to end in March?

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Like now it's April and we still talking about March Madness?

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Like the basketball, NBA, the weekend, what is that weekend that they have, you know?

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The

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the Super Bowl?

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No, no, no, no.

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more of our time, more of our time.

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And ultimately it is about the money.

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the more time we're engaged, the more you're giving them of your actual dollars and your,

and your mental dollars, which that real estate is, is being occupied.

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So, you know, when I'm coaching, one of the first things that I seek to do, and this is

that, you know, is to really help my clients get a level of self-awareness to

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how it is they are thinking and to understand that is the way they've chosen to see the

world ultimately is a thing that we have to deal with.

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So we can call fact whatever you want to call fact.

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Like I don't deny that there's a system out there working against, but what I choose,

don't, trying to, right?

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Right.

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So that's,

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be fact, but to me that's not my truth.

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My truth is it doesn't matter.

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I'm well able to not only overcome it, but to thrive because of it.

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I've chosen the way I know I've chosen the meaning I'm given to those situations and I'm

no longer a prisoner to it.

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So in coaching, my first goal is to help clients begin to have a level of self-awareness

to understand how they're thinking.

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That's it.

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got them where they are, and it's not always bad, but the thing is, even the good stuff,

we still have to elevate to the next level, become bigger than the situations we're in to

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even go further for the good stuff as well.

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So self-awareness is the basis of the work I do.

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And it is a constant evolution to go to the next level with self-awareness.

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And once we're aware of how we're thinking,

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And those ways of thinking that doesn't support the highest view we have of ourselves.

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How do we start extracting ourselves from the things that feed that?

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You know, the whole notion of what you feed grows, what you starve dies.

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We have to understand what we need to starve and what we need to feed.

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And that's not always obvious.

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This is why a great coach can help you uncover that.

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But.

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There's often a way people spend their time.

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Remember that deception we just talked about about how we unwind?

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You can shift the things you do to unwind and relax to something that's more productive,

something that's more on the path to what you say you want for your life.

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And so that's the kind of work we start with is that level of self-awareness.

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Wow.

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You know, and this is another great segue into our last question here.

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Outside of we want you to give your information so people can reach you.

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But what tools do you see, you know, in particularly chat GPT, and in how it can enhance

the work, you know, that you do or for others in business or.

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executives.

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Again, another way that it could be used as a distraction or you could sit here and praise

God every day like I do and I tell chat that how grateful I am to God for you.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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know, we use cat GPT all kinds of ways in our business and with clients.

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But the one of the ways I tell my clients, especially those who feel like they're on that

Island, because they're either leading a team of people who maybe not our leaders in the

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capable sense, but maybe they were promoted because of their tenure or you, you didn't

have money.

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So you gave titles.

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mean,

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People who are in positions of leadership, not necessarily because of their skill, but I

like to have chat GPT oftentimes serve as the counterpoint.

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So we've done custom GPTs and everything just to be, I hate the phrase, the devil's

advocate, but the point is, is all right, use it to challenge what you're thinking.

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Here's what I'm thinking about that.

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Tell me the good, the bad, the ugly, what might I be overlooking?

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Chat GPT can be in other models like it can be really great to point out things you may

not be thinking because you don't have anyone in the immediate sense to kind of do a back

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and forth with.

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And my clients have been really amazed at how well it'll say, well, you didn't think about

this.

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And I mean, ask chat GPT, what are different scenarios in this topic that can help me

think through?

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the pros and the cons of a decision I have to make, right?

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That's a wonderful way to put it in the realm of your, where it can be useful and not a

distraction.

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mean, it has a lot of uses, but for that solo entrepreneur or that leader who feels like

they're on an island, it's a great way to bring that into being.

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Every time I use it, I see the vision of an old movie and the secretary sitting there

dictating with the boss in the office, you know, and chat is the secretary, right?

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It is that person because it's the obscurity.

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can take down everything you want, but add a layer of complexity to it that you might not

have thought about.

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Right, because people, you learn this in sales, that the best person is, the one that's

running that company is that secretary.

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Okay, we know it as administrative assistant today, but the old fashioned word secretary,

that was the one that you knew you had to become friends with, you right?

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You knew they friends, they gatekeepers, exactly.

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And that is what I get that vision because I...

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I see things, I'm a visual person.

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wow, man.

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Shireen, I tell you, this has been an incredible episode.

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I am super excited for you.

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I'm so grateful again to have you join us today and appreciative of the content you've

shared with us.

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Please let everybody know how they can get in contact with you and get that one-on-one

hands-on that you give.

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for not just individuals, but companies as well.

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Well, I am very active on LinkedIn.

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So I would always encourage people to reach out and connect with me there.

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I do an incredible newsletter called the strategic implications where I cover topics.

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So you can learn more about the way I think and my thought leadership in that way.

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Visit sharen.com.

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That's where I have other information at and always I mean there's so many ways to reach

out to me now I love when people hear me on episodes and podcasts like yours Deborah and

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Least let me know what resonated with them and it's a great launch to a conversation So

yeah connect with me on LinkedIn send me an email through the website any of those ways of

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great ways to connect with me

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Awesome, awesome.

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Well, thank you so much again, Sharon.

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We appreciate you.

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And thank you to our audience.

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You can catch us live or listen anytime on your favorite podcast platforms, including

Spotify, iTunes, Google Podcasts, and more.

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And we also want to let you know that we appreciate you.

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Thank you for tuning in to another inspiring episode of Wealthy Sisters Radio.

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Stay connected with us at WealthySisters.com or WealthySistersRadio.com and follow us on

your favorite podcast platforms.

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Remember, we're here to promote prosperity, celebrate innovation, and uplift the sisters

who are making a difference like Shereen every single day.

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Until next time, keep shining.

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Keep.

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thriving and keep making an impact.

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This is Deborah Hardinett signing off.

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Take care, be well and continue blessings to you.

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Wow wow wow.